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1 Chronicles 18 – 21

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1 Chronicles 18

David’s great wealth

The Moabites are put to tribute to David as they will be again in the millennium.

1 Chronicles 18:1 Now after this it came to pass, that David smote the Philistines, and subdued them, and took Gath and her towns out of the hand of the Philistines. 18:2 And he smote Moab; and the Moabites became David’s servants, and brought gifts.

18:3 And David smote Hadarezer king of Zobah unto Hamath, [On the Euphrates]  as he went to stablish his dominion by the river Euphrates. 18:4 And David took from him a thousand chariots, and seven thousand horsemen, and twenty thousand footmen: David also houghed [hamstrung the war horses so they were no longer useful for war.] all the chariot horses, but reserved of them [saved] an hundred chariots [and their horses].

David defeats Syria and puts them to tribute

18:5 And when the Syrians of Damascus came to help Hadarezer king of Zobah, David slew of the Syrians two and twenty thousand men. 18:6 Then David put garrisons in Syriadamascus [Damascus]; and the Syrians became David’s servants, and brought gifts.   Thus the LORD preserved David whithersoever he went.

David takes much gold and brass in spoils of war, which he set in reserve for the building of the Temple and its instruments.

18:7 And David took the shields of gold that were on the servants of Hadarezer, and brought them to Jerusalem. 18:8 Likewise from Tibhath, and from Chun, cities of Hadarezer, brought David very much brass, wherewith Solomon made the brasen sea, and the pillars, and the vessels of brass.

The king of Hamath, grateful for his liberation from Hadarezar by David, gave much gold, silver and brass for the Temple. 

18:9 Now when Tou king of Hamath heard how David had smitten all the host of Hadarezer king of Zobah; 18:10 He sent Hadoram his son to king David, to enquire of his welfare, and to congratulate him, because he had fought against Hadarezer, and smitten him; (for Hadarezer had war with Tou;) and with him all manner of vessels of gold and silver and brass.

David defeated Edom, Ammon and the Philistines also. 

18:11 Them also king David dedicated unto the LORD, with the silver and the gold that he brought from all these nations; from Edom, and from Moab, and from the children of Ammon, and from the Philistines, and from Amalek.

Edom came under tribute to David as they will again in the millennium.

18:12 Moreover Abishai the son of Zeruiah slew of the Edomites in the valley of salt eighteen thousand. 18:13 And he put garrisons in Edom; and all the Edomites became David’s servants. Thus the LORD preserved David whithersoever he went.

18:14 So David reigned over all Israel, and executed judgment and justice among all his people.

18:15 And Joab the son of Zeruiah was over the host; and Jehoshaphat the son of Ahilud, recorder [Recorder of affairs of state, Royal Historian] . 18:16 And Zadok the son of Ahitub, and Abimelech the son of Abiathar, were the [high] priests; and Shavsha was scribe; 18:17 And Benaiah the son of Jehoiada was over the Cherethites and the Pelethites [The elite corps of the royal bodyguard.] ; and the sons of David were chief about the king.

 

1 Chronicles 19

The bitterness between David and Ammon brings Syria and Ammon under tribute to David, as they will be again in the millennium.

(Parallel account in 2 Samuel 10) 1 Chronicles 19:1 Now it came to pass after this, that Nahash the king of the children of Ammon died, and his son reigned in his stead. 19:2 And David said, I will shew kindness unto Hanun the son of Nahash, because his father shewed kindness to me. And David sent messengers to comfort him concerning his father. So the servants of David came into the land of the children of Ammon to Hanun, to comfort him.

19:3 But the princes of the children of Ammon said to Hanun, Thinkest thou that David doth honour thy father, that he hath sent comforters unto thee? are not his servants come unto thee for to search, and to overthrow, and to spy out the land? 19:4 Wherefore Hanun took David’s servants, and shaved them, and cut off their garments in the midst hard by their buttocks, and sent them away.

19:5 Then there went certain, and told David how the men were served. And he sent to meet them: for the men were greatly ashamed. And the king said, Tarry at Jericho until your beards be grown, and then return.

Then Ammon fearing retribution hired help and chose war, instead of seeking peace by sending that money to David and the men they had slighted as a peace offering; sent it to Syria to buy help for the war

19:6 And when the children of Ammon saw that they had made themselves odious to David, Hanun and the children of Ammon sent a thousand talents of silver to hire them chariots and horsemen out of Mesopotamia, and out of Syriamaachah, and out of Zobah. 19:7 So they hired thirty and two thousand chariots, and the king of Maachah and his people; who came and pitched before Medeba. And the children of Ammon gathered themselves together from their cities, and came to battle.

19:8 And when David heard of it, he sent Joab, and all the host of the mighty men.

The battle

19:9 And the children of Ammon came out, and put the battle in array before the gate of the city: and the kings that were come were by themselves in the field.

Joab placed his best men to fight Syria, and the others with his brother to fight the Ammonites.

19:10 Now when Joab saw that the battle was set against him before and behind, he chose out of all the choice of Israel, and put them in array against the Syrians. 19:11 And the rest of the people he delivered unto the hand of Abishai his brother, and they set themselves in array against the children of Ammon.

19:12 And he said, If the Syrians be too strong for me, then thou shalt help me: but if the children of Ammon be too strong for thee, then I will help thee.

Let us all be of a good courage and acquit ourselves like champions of God in all our spiritual battles.

19:13 Be of good courage, and let us behave ourselves valiantly for our people, and for the cities of our God: and let the LORD do that which is good in his sight.

19:14 So Joab and the people that were with him drew nigh before the Syrians unto the battle; and they fled before him. 19:15 And when the children of Ammon saw that the Syrians were fled, they likewise fled before Abishai his brother, and entered into the city. Then Joab came to Jerusalem.

Syria then sent to their brethren for help.

19:16 And when the Syrians saw that they were put to the worse before Israel, they sent messengers, and drew forth the Syrians that were beyond the river: and Shophach the captain of the host of Hadarezer went before them.

Then all Israel was gathered by David to the battle.

19:17 And it was told David; and he gathered all Israel, and passed over Jordan, and came upon them, and set the battle in array against them. So when David had put the battle in array against the Syrians, they fought with him. 19:18 But the Syrians fled before Israel; and David slew of the Syrians seven thousand men which fought in chariots, and forty thousand footmen, and killed Shophach the captain of the host.

Thus the Syrians also came under tribute to Israel.

19:19 And when the servants of Hadarezer saw that they were put to the worse before Israel, they made peace with David, and became his servants: neither would the Syrians help the children of Ammon any more.

 

1 Chronicles 20

Joab destroys Ammon and waits to give David the honor of taking possession of the city.

1 Chronicles 20:1 And it came to pass, that after the year was expired [in the spring of the new year], at the time that kings go out to battle, Joab led forth the power of the army, and wasted the country of the children of Ammon, and came and besieged Rabbah. But David tarried at Jerusalem. And Joab smote Rabbah [Ammon], and destroyed it.

20:2 And David took the crown of their king from off his head, and found it to weigh a talent of gold [between fifty and sixty pounds], and there were precious stones in it; and it was set upon David’s head: and he brought also exceeding much spoil out of the city.

The people were destroyed

20:3 And he brought out the people that were in it, and cut them with saws, and with harrows of iron, and with axes. Even so dealt David with all the cities of the children of Ammon. And David and all the people returned to Jerusalem.

The last huge statured men are killed in Philistia

20:4 And it came to pass after this, that there arose war at Gezer with the Philistines; at which time Sibbechai the Hushathite slew Sippai, that was of the children of the giant: and they were subdued.

20:5 And there was war again with the Philistines; and Elhanan the son of Jair slew Lahmi the brother of Goliath the Gittite, whose spear staff was like a weaver’s beam.

20:6 And yet again there was war at Gath, where was a man of great stature, whose fingers and toes were four and twenty, six on each hand, and six on each foot and he also was the son of the giant. 20:7 But when he defied Israel, Jonathan the son of Shimea David’s brother slew him.

It appears that the giants of Gath were only of one family and were an aberration.

20:8 These were born unto the giant in Gath; and they fell by the hand of David, and by the hand of his servants.

 

1 Chronicles 21

At various times God commanded the numbering of Israel, which seems to suggest that there is more to this than the actual numbering.  Quite probably the reason for David’s numbering, which seems to be a loss of faith in God, a growth in personal pride over his victories and a desire to depend on his own military strength, like certain other empires arose in Mesopotamia,

1 Chronicles 21:1 And Satan stood up against Israel, and provoked David [tempted David to pride in numbers, as some church’s concern themselves with numbers today] to number Israel. 21:2 And David said to Joab and to the rulers of the people, Go, number Israel from Beersheba even to Dan; and bring the number of them to me, that I may know it.

21:3 And Joab answered, The LORD make his people an hundred times so many more as they be: but, my lord the king, are they not all my lord’s servants? why then doth my lord require this thing? why will he be a cause of trespass to Israel? 21:4 Nevertheless the king’s word prevailed against Joab. Wherefore Joab departed, and went throughout all Israel, and came to Jerusalem.

Here we see that the numbering was actually of the army and military capable men.  Israel had 1,100,000 military men and Judah had 410,000 military men. 

Even Joab could see that David was wrong in numbering the army and having more faith in numbers than in God.

21:5 And Joab gave the sum of the number of the people unto David. And all they of Israel were a thousand thousand and an hundred thousand men that drew sword: and Judah was four hundred threescore and ten thousand men that drew sword. 21:6 But Levi and Benjamin counted he not among them: for the king’s word was abominable to Joab.

21:7 And God was displeased with this thing; therefore he smote Israel.

David realizes his sin of pride in his military prowess and falling away from faith in God; just as the church of God today needs to repent of their pride and following their false traditions away from trusting and living by every Word of God. 

21:8 And David said unto God, I have sinned greatly, because I have done this thing: but now, I beseech thee, do away the iniquity of thy servant; for I have done very foolishly.

God offers David three choices for his correction through the prophet Gad.

21:9 And the LORD spake unto Gad, David’s seer, saying, 21:10 Go and tell David, saying, Thus saith the LORD, I offer thee three things: choose thee one of them, that I may do it unto thee.

21:11 So Gad came to David, and said unto him, Thus saith the LORD, Choose thee 21:12 Either three years’ famine; or three months to be destroyed before thy foes, while that the sword of thine enemies overtaketh thee; or else three days the sword of the LORD, even the pestilence, in the land, and the angel of the LORD destroying throughout all the coasts of Israel. Now therefore advise thyself what word I shall bring again to him that sent me.

David then repented and sought out the mercy of Christ.

21:13 And David said unto Gad, I am in a great strait: let me fall now into the hand of the LORD; for very great are his mercies: but let me not fall into the hand of man. 21:14 So the LORD sent pestilence upon Israel: and there fell of Israel seventy thousand men.

The plague ended in Jerusalem at the site that would become the site of the Temple of God.

21:15 And God sent an angel unto Jerusalem to destroy it: and as he was destroying, the LORD beheld, and he repented him of the evil, and said to the angel that destroyed, It is enough, stay now thine hand. And the angel of the LORD stood by the threshingfloor of Ornan the Jebusite.

David sees the destroyer and repenting takes full responsibility for his sin.

21:16 And David lifted up his eyes, and saw the angel of the LORD stand between the earth and the heaven, having a drawn sword in his hand stretched out over Jerusalem. Then David and the elders of Israel, who were clothed in sackcloth, fell upon their faces.

21:17 And David said unto God, Is it not I that commanded the people to be numbered? even I it is that have sinned and done evil indeed; but as for these sheep, what have they done? let thine hand, I pray thee, O LORD my God, be on me, and on my father’s house; but not on thy people, that they should be plagued.

David goes up to the threshing floor to build an altar

21:18 Then the angel of the LORD commanded Gad to say to David, that David should go up, and set up an altar unto the LORD in the threshingfloor of Ornan the Jebusite. 21:19 And David went up at the saying of Gad, which he spake in the name of the LORD.

Ornan and his sons come out of hiding as David approached.

21:20 And Ornan turned back, and saw the angel; and his four sons with him hid themselves. Now Ornan was threshing wheat. 21:21 And as David came to Ornan, Ornan looked and saw David, and went out of the threshingfloor, and bowed himself to David with his face to the ground.

Ornan although a Jebusite and not Israeli, was delighted to give his threshing floor to David that the plague would be stopped, but David insisted on paying the full price.

21:22 Then David said to Ornan, Grant me the place of this threshingfloor, that I may build an altar therein unto the LORD: thou shalt grant it me for the full price: that the plague may be stayed from the people.

21:23 And Ornan said unto David, Take it to thee, and let my lord the king do that which is good in his eyes: lo, I give thee the oxen also for burnt offerings, and the threshing instruments for wood, and the wheat for the meat [grain] offering; I give it all.

21:24 And king David said to Ornan, Nay; but I will verily buy it for the full price: for I will not take that which is thine for the LORD, nor offer burnt offerings without cost. 21:25 So David gave to Ornan for the place six hundred shekels of gold by weight.

God then sent fire from heaven to burn the sacrifice on the altar.  This a symbol of the Holy Spirit given to the sincerely repentant.

21:26 And David built there an altar unto the LORD, and offered burnt offerings and peace offerings, and called upon the LORD; and he answered him from heaven by fire upon the altar of burnt offering. 21:27 And the LORD commanded the angel; and he put up his sword again into the sheath thereof.

The Tabernacle remained in Gibeah but God was informing David and Israel that they might sacrifice in Jerusalem, for God had chosen Jerusalem and placed his name there.

21:28 At that time when David saw that the LORD had answered him in the threshingfloor of Ornan the Jebusite, then he sacrificed there. 21:29 For the tabernacle of the LORD, which Moses made in the wilderness, and the altar of the burnt offering, were at that season in the high place at Gibeon.

21:30 But David could not go before it to enquire of God: for he was afraid because of the sword of the angel of the LORD.

Tim McCaulley writes:

James mentions:
“At various times God commanded the numbering of Israel, which seems to suggest that there is more to this that the numbering. It is quite probably the reason for David’s numbering, which seems to be a loss of faith in God and a desire to depend on his military strength as certain other empires arose in Mesopotamia,…”
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Actually the Bible gives important details behind David’s motivation to number the men of war in Israel:

II Sam 24:1 And again the anger of the LORD was kindled against Israel, and he moved David against them to say, Go, number Israel and Judah.
So we see that even though David did that which he knew he should not have done (and even Joab knew better and counseled against it to no avail) it was the sins of the people that moved God to allow Satan to provoke David to do that which he knew better than to do.

As with Job, this was not God and Satan using David as some play- thing to argue over, it was illustrating a very important principle from scripture:
Jer 17:9-10 “The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it? I the LORD search the heart, I try the reins, even to give every man according to his ways, and according to the fruit of his doings.”

We then see an almost immediate acknowledgement of his sin once the deed was done:

II Sam 24:10 “And David’s heart smote him after that he had numbered the people. And David said unto the LORD, I have sinned greatly in that I have done: and now, I beseech thee, O LORD, take away the iniquity of thy servant; for I have done very foolishly.”

Next we see Gad the prophet coming with God’s word for the king and David’s very instructive response:

II Sam 24:13-14 “So Gad came to David, and told him, and said unto him, Shall seven years of famine come unto thee in thy land? or wilt thou flee three months before thine enemies, while they pursue thee? or that there be three days’ pestilence in thy land? now advise, and see what answer I shall return to him that sent me.
And David said unto Gad, I am in a great strait: let us fall now into the hand of the LORD; for his mercies are great: and let me not fall into the hand of man.”
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David had no illusions over his sin and God’s power to punish for that sin. Yet, as the plague progressed it showed another side of David’s character (and why he became fit to be granted the high office he will have in the Kingdom of God):
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II Sam 24:17 And David spake unto the LORD when he saw the angel that smote the people, and said, Lo, I have sinned, and I have done wickedly: but these sheep, what have they done? let thine hand, I pray thee, be against me, and against my father’s house.
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David was willing to take the punishment for the people whose sin had provoked God to allow Satan to move David to commit his sin in the first place. Little wonder that God chose the line of David into which to be born as a human being. Christ, our passover, was willingly slain from before the foundation of the world and took the punishment that David sought for himself that the lives of those deserving of death might be spared.

In this matter David learned an important lesson about himself and the deceitfulness of his human mind. He could pray and mean it with every fiber of his being:
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Ps. 139:23-24 “Search me, O God, and know my heart: try me, and know my thoughts: And see if there be any wicked way in me, and lead me in the way everlasting.”
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This is a prayer that, to be blunt about it, takes a lot of courage and trust to pray. That’s because if you pray that prayer and really mean it, God will answer your request and you might not like what occurs as a result. Yet if we confess our sins, throw ourselves on the mercy of our Creator, and resolve to never, never do, say, or think that again, the sacrifice of Jesus

Christ will cover those sins and we can go onward to even greater accomplishment in our relationship with God the Eternal.
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Proverbs 4:18 “But the path of the just is as the shining light, that shineth more and more unto the perfect day.”
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Tim McCaulley
Jacksonville FL

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  1. James mentions:
    “At various times God commanded the numbering of Israel, which seems to suggest that there is more to this that the numbering. It is quite probably the reason for David’s numbering, which seems to be a loss of faith in God and a desire to depend on his military strength as certain other empires arose in Mesopotamia,…”
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    Actually the Bible gives important details behind David’s motivation to number the men of war in Israel:
    II Sam 24:1 And again the anger of the LORD was kindled against Israel, and he moved David against them to say, Go, number Israel and Judah.
    So we see that even though David did that which he knew he should not have done (and even Joab knew better and counseled against it to no avail) it was the sins of the people that moved God to allow Satan to provoke David to do that which he knew better than to do.
    As with Job, this was not God and Satan using David as some play- thing to argue over, it was illustrating a very important principle from scripture:
    Jer 17:9-10 “The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it? I the LORD search the heart, I try the reins, even to give every man according to his ways, and according to the fruit of his doings.”
    We then see an almost immediate acknowledgement of his sin once the deed was done:
    II Sam 24:10 “And David’s heart smote him after that he had numbered the people. And David said unto the LORD, I have sinned greatly in that I have done: and now, I beseech thee, O LORD, take away the iniquity of thy servant; for I have done very foolishly.”
    Next we see Gad the prophet coming with God’s word for the king and David’s very instructive response:
    II Sam 24:13-14 “So Gad came to David, and told him, and said unto him, Shall seven years of famine come unto thee in thy land? or wilt thou flee three months before thine enemies, while they pursue thee? or that there be three days’ pestilence in thy land? now advise, and see what answer I shall return to him that sent me.
    And David said unto Gad, I am in a great strait: let us fall now into the hand of the LORD; for his mercies are great: and let me not fall into the hand of man.”
    ***************
    David had no illusions over his sin and God’s power to punish for that sin. Yet, as the plague progressed it showed another side of David’s character (and why he became fit to be granted the high office he will have in the Kingdom of God):
    ***************
    II Sam 24:17 And David spake unto the LORD when he saw the angel that smote the people, and said, Lo, I have sinned, and I have done wickedly: but these sheep, what have they done? let thine hand, I pray thee, be against me, and against my father’s house.
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    David was willing to take the punishment for the people whose sin had provoked God to allow Satan to move David to commit his sin in the first place. Little wonder that God chose the line of David into which to be born as a human being. Christ, our passover, was willingly slain from before the foundation of the world and took the punishment that David sought for himself that the lives of those deserving of death might be spared.
    In this matter David learned an important lesson about himself and the deceitfulness of his human mind. He could pray and mean it with every fiber of his being:
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    Ps. 139:23-24 “Search me, O God, and know my heart: try me, and know my thoughts: And see if there be any wicked way in me, and lead me in the way everlasting.”
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    This is a prayer that, to be blunt about it, takes a lot of courage and trust to pray. That’s because if you pray that prayer and really mean it, God will answer your request and you might not like what occurs as a result. Yet if we confess our sins, throw ourselves on the mercy of our Creator, and resolve to never, never do, say, or think that again, the sacrifice of Jesus
    Christ will cover those sins and we can go onward to even greater accomplishment in our relationship with God the Eternal.
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    Proverbs 4:18 “But the path of the just is as the shining light, that shineth more and more unto the perfect day.”
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    Tim McCaulley
    Jacksonville FL

    Tim, thank you for adding so much for this input. James

  2. Tim, great insights and very important lessons we all need to learn if we really desire to be a first fruit. Thanks!

    I believe there is a small number that are learning this way of thinking; being fair minded and desiring righteous judgements and decisions. Most really do not want to admit how deceitful their minds can be. There is simply too much vanity and wanting to be the center of attention with many today. When is the last time we heard that human nature is full of vanity, jealousy, lust, and greed?

    Perhaps most simply do not have the spirit of God. They will have their time. Meanwhile, with those that do have his spirit, God is finding out who is teachable, who really is AFTER his own heart. He must come to know he can trust us, as he did with Abraham, David, and others. Only God knows, as only God can know, the extreme importance of godly leadership.

    Things are unfolding according to GOD’S timetable and we must patiently wait on him while seeking to be AT ONE with Him in all things. God is being very patient with us, giving us the time to seek Him with all our hearts James

  3. Jim, you wrote: “…There is simply too much vanity and wanting to be the center of attention with many today. When is the last time we heard that human nature is full of vanity, jealousy, lust, and greed?…”

    Why would there be that vanity you mentioned? God has inspired a few thoughts about that subject, beginning with our “best state:”

    Psalm 39:5 Behold, thou hast made my days as an handbreadth; and mine age is as nothing before thee: verily every man at his BEST STATE IS altogether VANITY. Selah.

    That may inspire one to wonder that if that is the “best state,” then what might be man’s worst state?

    Psalm 39:11 When thou with rebukes dost correct man for iniquity, thou makest his beauty to consume away like a moth: surely EVERY MAN IS VANITY. Selah.

    Was Jesus Christ the only exception to that vanity for every man?

    Psalm 94:11 The LORD knoweth the thoughts of man, that they are vanity.

    And not to just focus on the Old Testament, here is a verse in the New Testament:

    Romans 8:20 For the creature was MADE SUBJECT TO vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,

    So, it is good that you recognize all of that vanity in others, but it’s in us too…to one degree or another.

    Further, you asked: “…When is the last time we heard that human nature is full of vanity, jealousy, lust, and greed?…”

    I hear people speak and write often about rotten, evil, human nature, but when I read what God wrote in Genesis 1:31 I see this:

    “And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.”

    That was after God had created Adam and Eve. Their nature was, as it says there, “very good,” and that is the way God created it.

    It appears that what we call evil, rotten, human nature is a result of the nature that Satan infested/infected into the minds of both Adam and Eve. Human nature, something God created “very good,” has been changed to be something evil, but it is really some of Satan’s nature that is in humans that is evil and it is obvious for all to see.

    For example, James recognized the evil in humans and wrote about it this way:

    “Do ye think that the scripture saith in vain, The spirit that dwelleth in us lusteth to envy?” James 4:5

    Adam and Eve did not initially have that spirit and its associated lust and envy in them when they were created with “very good” human nature. James knew about that spirit dwelling within sealed Firstfruits aka Christians!

    Paul recognized the source of this evil spirit dwelling within human beings:

    “Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:” Ephesians 2:2

    It is a spirit that dwells within, and works within, human beings and somehow has the capacity to overcome, or overwhelm, God’s very good human nature…perhaps a lot more than we would like to admit.

    I object and reject that Satan’s spirit can overwhelm God’s spirit. It cannot; although it can entice and tempt people to turn away from God’s spirit, as has been done in the COG groups of today. This is not a matter of Satan and god fighting over us and Satan winning; it is a matter of us turning away from following God’s spirit so that we have quenched God’s spirit and have no defense left against Satan. “James

    No wonder Christ exposed the author of lies and murders like He did, because He knew about that other spirit and how it operates:

    “Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.” John 8:44

    Satan has masqueraded his spirit within human beings very well for a long time now in the imagination of human beings and made us believe it’s just our own human nature, but most can’t “see” it (Satan’s nature/spirit at work) yet. For example:

    “And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.” Genesis 6:5 (Also see Gen 8:21…similar to Jer 17:9, etc.)

    Perhaps one interesting example, in conclusion, would be: Who murdered Abel? Was it just Cain’s bad attitude? Was Cain totally to blame for Abel’s death? Let God’s Word answer it for us:

    I John 3:12 “Not as Cain, who was OF THAT WICKED ONE, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him?…”

    Why did John conclude that the sin for that murder of Abel belonged on Satan’s head and not Cain’s head? Before Judas betrayed Christ, in a similar way, Judas was “of that wicked one” too, but what else did John say?

    I John 3:8 He that committeth sin is OF THE DEVIL; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

    No wonder we look forward to the day when Satan’s spirit will no longer “leaven” human beings like it does, but is replaced, overcome, and overwhelmed by God’s Spirit being poured out upon all human beings…………and again that “very good” human nature will become evident!

  4. John, you wrote:
    ““And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.”

    That was after God had created Adam and Eve. Their nature was, as it says there, “very good,” and that is the way God created it.

    I have discussed the point you make above a number of times. I simply don’t agree that God created a “good nature” in man.

    It is an assumption to conclude that because God said everything he made was good that as you wrote; ” Their nature was, as it says there, “very good,” and that is the way God created it.”

    It would take some time to explain my position but to jump from “everything he made was good to–he created our nature good, from my perspective, is an assumption. Everything God does is good. That does not mean some of his ways and plans ,that are beyond our understanding, include some real evil; just as his plan for mankind includes an awful lot of evil. It has a lot to do with free will. A very big subject.

    And just to clarify John, I was not saying those with God’s spirit do not have that deceitful nature. We all have it. My point was, there are many, that attend a Church of God, that have an overabundance of vanity, jealousy, etc.

    Hope this clarifies some.

    Jim

    Man was made as a babe knowing nothing and has to learn right from wrong. There are some that God is teaching “right” at this time and very many who God is leaving alone until a future time.

    The basic nature of humanity is neutral knowing nothing, and was therefore created GOOD and later fell into evil, just like Lucifer was created GOOD and later fell into sin!

    God does not create evil. Those verses saying that God created evil, refer to God’s correction as an evil coming on man; but in reality God’s correction is not evil [although it may seem so to those receiving it] but correction is intended to destroy evil and bring good.

    In the beginning the nature of man is empty knowing nothing, like any new born babe until it is taught either to know and do evil by Satan’s influence, and become enmity to the word of God; or is called to God and taught to do good by God’s spirit. Yet God’s spirit will not continually strive with a person, but will leave if the person will not follow it.

    Think of this in terms of a new born child who knows nothing and will learn what it is taught or influenced to; either to do good or to do evil. With the caveat that most are just not called to learn good at this time, so the best efforts of converted parents can seem to be in vain until their children are called to God. That requires much love and patience and faith, that in due time God will work with them and they will remember the good they have been taught. God is following a plan that will teach all peoples his goodness in his due time.

    Yes God will complete his good work in us: IF we as free moral agents allow him to. Any failure is do to our own rejection and rebellion against following God’s spirit to keep the whole word of God; and not to any failure on God’s part!

    God will successfully complete HIS PART, IF WE fulfill OUR PART! That is free moral agency! James

  5. What arrogance.

    Who and what gives you the right to contradict everything that is said on your comments sections.

    Why do you think your God’s only little man and the rest of us are just reprobates.

    Wake up. You may be a tool of the devil and do not realize it.

    I seem to have stepped on some sensitive toes.

    I am morally compelled to present my positions: that right comes from the fact that this is MY SITE and also from the fact that the purpose of this site is to present the truth. What I said on the comments today is nothing new and was taught by HWA way back in the 60’s.

    How am I arrogant for presenting my own positions on my own site? And for presenting the truth of God? If that is arrogance than every person with a site is also arrogant, including all the COG sites!

    You are responding emotionally to something that you do not want to accept, but which you cannot disprove, and which has been accepted COG teaching for over fifty years. James

  6. I’d like to clarify something since the older 2014 comments above have been re-displayed.

    James, you wrote: “…I object and reject that Satan’s spirit can overwhelm God’s spirit. It cannot …”

    I wholeheartedly agree with you on that comment, and in my reply above I never said God’s Spirit could be overwhelmed.

    Granted that Satan’s spirit is so very powerful that one is taken captive if Satan so wills it, as can be seen in this verse:

    “And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.” 2 Timothy 2:26

    Talk about a world held captive! How about individuals held captive?

    It was the “very good” human nature in Adam and Eve that Satan overwhelmed once that vile, evil, thing was allowed into that Garden of Eden to exercise his will. God allowed it to happen, but nothing overwhelms God’s Spirit; God accomplishes so much by/with His Spirit!

    “Then he answered and spake unto me, saying, This is the word of the LORD unto Zerubbabel, saying, Not by might, nor by power, but BY MY SPIRIT, saith the LORD of hosts.” Zech 4:6

    God did not create the Tree of knowledge of good and evil so that nobody would partake of its fruit. It was all part of God’s works that that tree be in that garden to accomplish God’s will for humanity. Humans would partake of it and come to get their noses rubbed in evil; otherwise, why even create such a tree?

    “Known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world.” Acts 15:18

    God knew (I John 3:20) what was going to happen. Humans are learning to hate evil, which is a good thing:

    “The fear of the LORD is to HATE EVIL: pride, and arrogancy, and the evil way, and the froward mouth, do I hate.” Proverbs 8:13

    One must first be exposed to evil before one can learn to hate it.

    Additionally, when God wants one to not “turn/depart” from Him, to turn from evil, He will give them the fear of God. How important is that fear of God? I mean; besides coming to hate evil?

    “And I will make an everlasting covenant with them, that I will not turn away from them, to do them good; but I will put MY FEAR IN their hearts, that they shall NOT DEPART from me.” Jeremiah 32:40

    I think that verses like the above help us to appreciate why it will be necessary for God to eventually pour out His Spirit upon all flesh. Today, it is those Firstfruits to be sealed by God that need that Spirit poured out upon them; otherwise, Satan will keep us held captive.

    So, yes, I agree that Satan’s spirit CANNOT overwhelm God’s Spirit.

    John

    Thank you John. The bible really is a lifelong study and this is why it is so important to go back over these studies and update them. The second time around and yes the third and fourth time we study through the whole Bible, we will still be learning more and digesting more, growing in understanding. And I mean myself as well as others. I have learned so much from redoing these studies. James

  7. COGWA and perhaps UCG teaches that the Angel of the Lord is the preincarnate Jesus. After reviewing multiple instances in which the Angel of the Lord appears, and again here in I Cor. 21:15, I do not think that it can be assuredly said that this is the preincarnate Jesus. In I Cor. 21:15 the Lord speaks and directs the Angel of the Lord in a very directive manner. If COGWA still believes Jesus is the Lord of the Old Testament (I assume they do), I don’t think He would be both the Lord and the Angel of the Lord. Further, I do not believe the Lord would need to command Himself to stop doing something as shown here.

    I believe that the Angel of the Lord is a special messenger/agent of the Lord, but not a member of the God family. Some suggest he is Michael the archangel. As an agent of the Lord, the Angel of the Lord speaks for the Lord and it can sound like the Lord Himself is speaking. This is not troubling for me. Nor does it trouble me that the Angel of the Lord proclaims ground holy. If the Lord gives the Angel of the Lord such authority to make ground holy that is well within the power of the Lord. Further the angels are described as holy in Matthew 25. Thoughts?

    There is no I Cor. 21:15 so I assume you mean 1 Chron 21:15, yet in that passage there is no reference to an “Angel of the LORD” as a personal title, but only as a descriptive that the angel belonged to the LORD, as an ordinary angel.

    It appears that the problem comes from mistakenly equating a destroying angel under the command of Christ with title and office of “the Angel of the LORD”, because an angel belonging to the LORD stood down from destroying.

    In context the term “Angel of the LORD” was not used as a title, but rather as a descriptive term to indicate that the angel was acting on behalf of the LORD.

    1 Chron 21:15 And God sent an angel unto Jerusalem to destroy it: and as he was destroying, the LORD beheld, and he repented him of the evil, and said to the angel that destroyed, It is enough, stay now thine hand. And the angel of the LORD [this is not a title but a statement of belonging to and obeying the LORD] stood by the threshingfloor of Ornan the Jebusite.

    In many cases the “Angel of the LORD” often speaks directly as if he were God [Christ]. In Genesis 13:11 the “angel” specifically claims to be God – Jesus Christ – since no one has seen God the Father.

    Jesus himself was/is a messenger of God the Father – as “the angel of the LORD [of God the Father]” – speaking only what the Father told him to speak; and all angels are also angels of the LORD in the sense that they obey God.

    Yes, I agree that in the vast majority of cases, possibly all cases; the term used as a title “the Angel of the LORD” refers to the one who became Jesus Christ as an agent of God the Father.
    James

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